Sunday, October 14, 2012

u mad gma?


Jeremy R. Cort
October 9 at 8:55pm · 
  • the intro is a little loud... be responsible and watch this... 6 minutes of romney lies.. err flip flops. remember you cant spell "believe" without the "lie" in the middle.
    Still Voting For 'Mitt Romney'?
    www.youtube.com
    Video shows just how un-sure 'Mitt Romney' is about almost everything in the world, See for yourself. Vote 4 Ron Paul - http://www.ronpaul2012.com/
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    • Leila Benoit likes this.
    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      BARACK (INSANE ) OBAMA...... A LEGEND IN HIS OWN MIND.....
    • Leila Benoit You must have misunderstood. This is a video about Romney, not Obama. grin lol
    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      OH I KNEW THAT BUT JUST WANTED THE IDIOTS WHO ARE VOTING FOR OBAMA TO READ IT ALSO (LOL)\
    • Jeremy R. Cort this "man" is a liar grandma. tell me he's not. one of the only things he has been consistent on is his hatred of gay people. he flip flops on so many important things. did you watch the video at all? 

      here are some of his flip flops: http://mittromneysflipflops.com/
      Mitt Romneys Flip Flops - See where Romney REALLY stands on the Issues | Mitt Romney's Record
      mittromneysflipflops.com
      See Mitt Romneys Flip Flops all in one place. Mitt Romney's record - take your pick, which Mitt?
    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      FacebookAND DID YOU WATCH THE DEBATE????? OBAMA DIDN'T DENY ANY OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SAID ABOUT HIM... HE IS A LIAR AND A CHEAT, A MUSLIM THAT HATES AMERICA, THAT BOWS DOWN TO OTHER COUNTRYS AND WANTS TO TAKE OUR GOD OUT OF OUR SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, EVEN ON OUR MONEY AND EVERYTHING THAT WE STAND FOR WHILE HE GOES AND WHORSHIPS HIS OWN GOD AND LOOKS DOWN HIS NOSE AT US. HE HAS PUT THIS COUNTRY IN THE WORST STATE IT'S EVER BEEN IN AND IF HE GETS RE-ELECTED THAT WILL BE THE END OF AMERICA.ALL WE WILL HAVE LEFT IS LOW LIFES AND IMMIGRANTS.... BEING IN THE SERVICE JEREMY AND PUTTING YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, I CANT BELIEVE YOU FEEL ANYTHING BUT DISGUST FOR THIS LIAR....I ONLY HOPE WHEN YOU VOTE YOU WILL DO THE RIGHT THING BEHIND THE CLOSED CURTAINS.....
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    • Leila Benoit It disturbs me that people don't seem to care about the truth this time around. You are repeating many things that have been debunked already, and seem to have no desire to get to the truth of any of it. You subscribe to the viewpoint that "anyone is better than Obama," and why? Because you think he is a Muslim? All I see in responses like these is xenophobia. ... You are tossing out a man who has respect for my beliefs AND yours, to replace him with a man who only has respect for yours. How do you think that makes me feel? Your beliefs and rights will be protected by either president; my beliefs and rights will only be protected by Obama. It's very disconcerting for me to think that a man who hates everything I am will be made the ruler of our nation, and why? Just because folks who also hate what I am want to be able to control me and keep me lesser than them, to reserve their special status over me. It's all very frightening to me. I can't wait until the election is over, one way or another. And to folks who are voting for Romney, all I have to say is be careful what you wish for. People like me won't be the only ones to suffer for it.
    • Jeremy R. Cort a lot - if not all, of what you are saying about obama here is simply untrue. it is not your fault that you have been maliciously informed or malinformed. 

      as for god, religion has NO place in politics OR education except as a footnote.

      in the bible       ...See More
    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      There is still time to realize the truth my dear................
    • Leila Benoit That's what I keep trying to say. lol
    • Jeremy R. Cort the truth of what?
    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      So sorry, I guess I should have explained myself a little clearer....By (time to realize the truth) I mean time to see the mistake you are makiing if you vote Obama in again or even want to see him voted in...I can't believe you don't understand or s...See More
    • Leila Benoit Well it's a good thing we're all entitled to our own opinions, and that we can't force our opinions on others. Oh wait - that's exactly what the Republic Party is trying to do to people like me; they're trying to force their opinions on me. lol... Oh, ...See More
    • Jeremy R. Cort what started as an intellectual exchange has turned into a series of attacks. i gave you references from the bible and sourced non partisan reports about romney and you continue to be retaliatory and now you have resorted to belittling and name calling. you have provided absolutely NO substantial evidence for any of your specious claims and i am... done. i'm not agreeing to disagree i am stopping this before you say more things you mean. 

      as to your comment to leila. it is telling that you chose now to state "You know to tell you the truth Leila, I really don't care what you think..." since in your eyes she is "less than" now. 

      i love you grandma, i truly do. however i can not support bad behavior from anyone. in my adult life i have always fallen on the side of the greater good. i have stood for human rights and the equal representation of americans everywhere.

      at the end of the day we as americans are FREE to say and do what we wish so long as those endeavors do not infringe on the rights of others.
    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      Enough said Jeremy, it's to late/
    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      And Leila, not trying to be sarcastic or disrespectful but are you an Atheist??? Some of your remarks make me ask....Just wondering.............
    • Jeremy R. Cort leila and i are both atheists. we have been for a few years now.
    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      then shame on you. you have fallen away from everything you was taught when you were at home .....
    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      and if she is why ask all the questions about the bible.
    • Jeremy R. Cort i have no shame in my choice. i am "good without god" - leila was asking rhetorical questions about the bible. she knows it well. she was raised in the church as well.
    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      If you were both raised in church then why would she change just because she is upset with her parents???Is that why she hates Romney??? because he is a Morman like her folks???Wow Jeremy, I had no idea you were an atheist... You were a good Christian man until when???? Until you met her??????
    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      AND AS YOU KNOW THE DEVIL KNOWS THE BIBLE WELL TOO..........WORD FOR WORD............
    • Leila Benoit Uh.... okay. Let's see. Yes, I am an atheist, but I am still curious about the beliefs of others. I am particularly curious about the things I mentioned above because I am unfamiliar with the whole mindset, as Jehovah's Witnesses did not involve themselves in politics or political speculation. So I am honestly curious and am interested in honest answers. Also, none of my viewpoints on anything are a result of being "upset" with my parents. I dearly love my parents and don't hold them responsible for raising me in a cult; they were taken in, too. I am not some rebellious teenager looking to make a statement. I have come to my positions through much thought over many years. Also, I never even talked much about religion to Jeremy. His journey is his to make, not mine to hijack. He came to his position totally on his own, in fact I was surprised when he told me he was an atheist. Let's see what else... I would resent your implication that I am the devil or from the devil or whatever but... lol... Wow. Oh, and I don't "hate Romney." I disagree strongly with the man on issues of civil rights, which are important to me because they affect my personal safety and the safety of others. I respect the right of others to vote for him. The reason I have been commenting on peoples' Romney v. Obama posts is because much of it is easily disproved and I would ask people to be responsible human beings and source their material and make an effort to post things that are actually true. When we post things to Facebook we should be prepared to defend our positions. We should also make an effort not to spread lies and misinformation and conspiracy theories. So - to summarize: I don't hate Romney. I disagree with him politically, and while respecting your right to vote for him, I would wish that you would post things that are responsible and true in support of him, and not things that are false. My only argument with supporters (of ANYONE) is that they should be factual and stop posting untrue things.
    • Jeremy R. Cort leila was not the vehicle for my separation from the teachings of the church.

      being atheist is some thing we have in common not something we arrived at because of some difficulty in our lives. 

      leila is not upset with her parents she is heartbroken       that they are still in a cult (jehovas witnesses not morman, although mormanism is a cult too). they even moved next door to a kingdom hall. 

      leila and i both feel that romney is on the wrong side of civil liberties and human rights. this time around the republican platform has vowed to IMPOSE religious tenants on the public en mass. our country was founded with freedom OF and FROM religion in mind. the separation of church and state MUST be absolute.

      as to me being a good christian, grandma... i used to be on fire for god. i was wholly dedicated. as i grew in age and knowledge i could no longer defend the doctrine i once held so dear. there was just no science to support the information i was taught in church.

      lastly to the whole devil comment, i know those passages well. i heard them often growing up. it is also said that the devil never misses a service. leila is not the devil (nor do i appreciate the inference). or the even in the smallest of ways a catalyst for my changes. 

      if you would like to talk more here on facebook or we could go to coffee on sunday when we come to town. i would welcome the engaging discussion.
    • Steven Topich I hope you don't mind if I hijack the thread to talk about the video you posted. After watching I noticed that some of the clips in the video with his differing views are seperated by years and it is only natural that some people views change as they get older. 

      I am sure if someone wanted to make a video of the same thing with Barack, that is if there isn't one already done, they most likely could. 

      I cannot fault a person whose views change. I am not by any stretch of the imagination a supporter of Romney, in fact if I vote it will most likely be for the current president. Even though I may not agree with all he has done in the past few years, he has still done more than his detractors give him credit for.
    • Jeremy R. Cort welcome! hijack away! (invite friends too ) 

      yeah i know some of these are seperated by time. i have a few more on my page too. folks are indeed entitled to change their mind, my main issue is that romneys mind is for sale. when he uses infinitive la      ...See More
    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      Yes Jeremy, folks are entitled to change their mind but its sad when its a as important as this, and right now I'm not talking about Romeny or obama. And I'm am not going to write you a LETTER of dos and don'ts and why and why nots as I think now it will do no good... And it certainly was not my intention to air our dirty laundry on facebook but I do not have your e-mail address to write to you directly anymore.......We all have to make choices in life and hope like heck it's the right one...... I did not care for the journals you both wrote and most all of it was a bunch of hogwash which neither of you talk like in person or I hope believe in.It certainly must have taken you folks some time to come up with such letters..Boy, playing (scattergories ) has really helped in the word and mind department .. I must try it sometime.lol ....This note is in no way an apology as we both know thats not going to happen... and just so you know, coffee is difiniatly out at this time. I have no desire to write to you again which should make Leila very happy.....By the way I did not call her the devil and I think that you know me well enough that if I was implying that she was I would have just come out and said so.... Why, is she ????...... Divide and conquer......
    • Anna Marin Yeah name calling and belittling is very immature and shows lack of actual facts on your side.... I know Aunt Dottie can't see this because she has blocked me and I will admit it hurt that she blocked me... BUT I know that I am good without god and I f...See More
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    • Leila Benoit Yeah, I know what it's like to have people turn their backs on you for disavowing their faith. Lots of people did that to me, too, lots of friends and family. It's unfortunate that they couldn't abide having an opposing viewpoint in their life. I get along just fine surrounded by opposing viewpoints. lol
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    • Anna Marin She blocked me because I called her out on what she was saying. It was all about a video she posted, which was completely infactual and she then started calling me little girl, etc... she wouldn't have an argument about the facts. Her faith and beliefs are ALL that guide her and so many others. Fundamentalists christians and muslims don't use their brains or intellect. They don't try to understand the universe.. they thank god for what medicine does for them. They want to force or in cases of the taliban they actually force everyone to live according to THEIR specific beliefs. What they feel and believe is all that matters. Facts be damned and so is everyone that doesn't agree with them or agree to live by their rules. IMO Evangelical christians are exactly like the taliban. I am not only an atheist... I am an ANTItheist. I HATE religion and what it does to humanity. The same Christians who want their faith and beliefs to be respected deny others the same rights. I was hurt that she blocked me... because I have known her my entire life and it was the first time that someone I cared about didn't want to even know me because I am an atheist. I have had family members - cousins block me for the same thing. Oh so "christian" of them. It reminds me of just another way that I am good without god - and those with god - eh... they think they are good. LOL
    • Jeremy R. Cort why did you block anna marin grandma? she had some information to add to our exchange. ill re post it here for the sake of continuity.

      Anna Marin Yeah name calling and belittling is very immature and shows lack of actual facts on your side.... I know      Aunt Dottie can't see this because she has blocked me and I will admit it hurt that she blocked me... BUT I know that I am good without god and I feel VERY bad for those who don't believe that they can be good people without their god. It's sad really. They are so close to the edge and such bad people that without god stopping them they would murder rape lie steal cheat etc... BUT I know I am strong because I don't have to rely on god's help to be good, and I have to deal with my mistakes, I can't just be forgiven by asking a third party (jesus) to forgive me... I have to go to the person I wrong and ask forgiveness...
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    • Jeremy R. Cort yeah she wrote this too... ( dont worry im getting a response together for you about thestuff you said 12 hours ago.) 

      Anna Marin She blocked me because I called her out on what she was saying. It was all about a video she posted, which was complete      ly infactual and she then started calling me little girl, etc... she wouldn't have an argument about the facts. Her faith and beliefs are ALL that guide her and so many others. Fundamentalists christians and muslims don't use their brains or intellect. They don't try to understand the universe.. they thank god for what medicine does for them. They want to force or in cases of the taliban they actually force everyone to live according to THEIR specific beliefs. What they feel and believe is all that matters. Facts be damned and so is everyone that doesn't agree with them or agree to live by their rules. IMO Evangelical christians are exactly like the taliban. I am not only an atheist... I am an ANTItheist. I HATE religion and what it does to humanity. The same Christians who want their faith and beliefs to be respected deny others the same rights. I was hurt that she blocked me... because I have known her my entire life and it was the first time that someone I cared about didn't want to even know me because I am an atheist. I have had family members - cousins block me for the same thing. Oh so "christian" of them. It reminds me of just another way that I am good without god - and those with god - eh... they think they are good. LOL
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    • Anna Marin you can repost the other one too... it is really how I feel and even though she blocked me... it's okay. I do understand somewhat. It's hard to have your beliefs challenged and really have no way to defend them. Some of the things they try to defend are seriously hard for them to defend. If life is so important - why is the death penalty okay?? isn't life - life??? it's hard to defend the indefensible really
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    • Leila Benoit Lol... I feel you. It's very frustrating... They seem to get so upset when I simply present a different viewpoint. It's like they think I am persecuting them by voicing my opinion, which is different from theirs. .... They want me to respect their view (which I try to do; though I disagree and even think religion is harmful, I am certainly not out to "convert" anyone), but they don't seem able to respect mine. So many people immediately resort to "otherizing" me, calling names, calling my viewpoint stupid, ignorant, immature, the result of "rebellion" or spite... things I don't do to them. It's disheartening, especially when their own Bible says that we will recognize the true followers of Christ by their fruits; love, peace, lol. I have to say, Anna, it's nice to meet another atheist. We should hang out sometime lol.
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    • Jeremy R. Cort and this:

      Anna Marin you can repost the other one too... it is really how I feel and even though she blocked me... it's okay. I do understand somewhat. It's hard to have your beliefs challenged and really have no way to defend them. Some of the things       they try to defend are seriously hard for them to defend. If life is so important - why is the death penalty okay?? isn't life - life??? it's hard to defend the indefensible really

      well anna... i agree. it is wholly indefensible...
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    • Jeremy R. Cort @ leila, i agree babe. im not posting stuff here for conversion... im just... ignorance is cute when you are 5. when you become an adult you have to take the reins of your own education and improve the world around you...
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    • Dorothy Phillips · 11 mutual friends
      I do not wish to talk to you , leila, or anna again.... you are all very immature and to be quite frank you bore me. I do hope all 3 of you will will get it together sometime before it;s to late
    • Jeremy R. Cort outstanding grandma... rather than answer anything i have asked with proof you choose to let a debate turn into a reason for you to block, ignore, and insult us. i HAVE it together. and i would invite you to tell me, here in this public forum for all to see, exactly how i / we deserve your disdain because we are not your version of good.
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