Sunday, October 14, 2012

drama drama drama


Sandra Robitaille
8 hours ago · 
  • Does EVERYTHING have to be an argument on FaceBook????? So sick of this DRAMA, DRAMA, DRAMA......"As for me and my House, We will serve the Lord!" The Bible stands as my guideline, and there ain't nothing you can say or do to change my viewpoint,....Love You All, You live your way I will live mine. When it comes down to offending people in my family, or church family that is where I draw the line. This has gone too far.....I will not be part of it. God Bless and have a good day.
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    • Amber Sellers and 5 others like this.
    • John Cort Is everything OK ?
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    • Jeremy R. Cort this is pretty much an open letter it is not directed specifically at you mom so know that im addressing all fundamentalist christians.

      @john: no, things are not ok, and this is not / was not a "fight" its was debate. 

      @mom: are you talking about gramndma dot? it was not an argument till 5 minutes ago. "you people" (fundamentalist christians) post lies and try to pass it off as truth, i call "you" on it and thus far the only one showing any sign that they are willing to at least follow the links to sources provided is aunt kathy (as far as our intimate circle goes). can we agree to disagree? yes! yes we can! however that is not what is happening here. and do not confuse the "tone" of my retorts because it is impossible to convey inflection thorough short facebook messages.

      @everyone when i started posting and responding to stuff on facebook a couple weeks ago it was and still is my aim to provoke critical thinking. im so tired of the emotionally and mentally lazy attitude i see all over the internet. so here it goes. 

      if "people" (fundamentalist christians) keep posting baseless accusations, lies, and what-not while attempting to pass it off as fact, i / we can and will take the time that "they" did not, to look up the info and comment. rather than "people" getting mad that i / we have offered a contrasting viewpoint please... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!... source your reasons! we all have a responsibility to be fair in these public forums. as irl (in real life) acquaintances, friends and family we do not have the luxury and of anonymity, and that makes it harder for us to speak our minds. i know full well that all of "you" believe leila and i are going to hell... "you" are ENTITLED to your opinion on that. we (all of us everywhere) are ENTITLED to our opinions too. as to offending people. i have the same rights as "you" do to express myself. i'm not sorry that i have offended "people" in by sourcing comments. i told the truth, "they" did not. "they" are tale bearing", gossip mongering, fostering distension, spouting hatred, exclusion and bigotry all stacked on a bible wrapped in a flag. how is that christian? in any stretch of the imagination? this special blend of american fundamentalist xenophobic nationalism is DESTROYING america, and OUR family. i will make SURE that the three little lives i'm responsible for will have an EVEN understanding of this world forged with love and temperance though education not ignorance.

      so sit there and grimace at what we say, make your phone calls and send your messages of outrage because you cant face the fact that bigotry rules your life and how it scares you that have no clue how to get it back...

      some of you know me well enough by know to know what comes next. I will not cow down to a "bully". i will not let others repress our inalienable rights. unlike most of "you" i fought to keep the stripes on our flag red and to preserve ALL OF OUR RIGHTS under the constitution. i didn't sacrifice 6+ years of my life (the sacrifice of my family not withstanding) with exclusions or qualifications. how many of "you" can say the same?. not many... i can't name 5. and none of them that i can name have participated in any of the debates i have put forth. not only that, i have a challenge for all of "you" how many of you would die for what you believe in? and i don't mean in a metaphorical sense. i mean non life. death. 

      >> i will << 

      regardless of what you think of us, leila and i would go out of our way to help ANY of you in need. without exclusion, without pretense, loathing, fear or conditions, without asking for anything in return because it is simply the right thing to do. so sit there and qualify your love for us and others withe all the self serving rhetoric you can. while you love us "even tho" we are different, we love all of you without prejudice or qualification because there is no space in our hearts for hatred. 

      how presumptuous of us to think that in all the ancient cosmos that we are all that is beautiful and perfect. that all this is for us. that out of the last 14 billion years of existence in our 8000 years of understanding, the last 235 years on this stolen turtle in the space our infinitesimal spec of life on this dirt we call america, that we are right about anything... the truth of it all is that we are spinning blindly through space with only the crudest of understanding as to all that is around us. the least we can do is be decent to one another and respect each-others individuality. that much i know. that much i can do.

      in closing, i am not mad at anyone and since we all live less than an hour from each other i would be more than happy to sit down and talk with any of you if you would like to vent, ask questions or just hang out and talk.

      i read something that was thought provoking yesterday, 

      http://books.google.com/books?id=7FNKAQAACAAJ&dq=the+lying+carpet&source=bl&ots=nT-l20r0ey&sig=Pc7kRSY9IULkjveOpnDsHa14Qvw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dON6UNz1KoP20gHvrIHQAw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA

      "A honeybee, fat with nectar, knocked on the window and said: "The truth is bitter and lies are sweet, but the truth is better for you."
      "That is all very well," said a fly, trapped inside, "but on this side of the glass, truth and lies are one"
      The Lying Carpet
      books.google.com
      From the author of the acclaimed Halibut Jackson comes a mold-breaking philosoph...See More
    • Leila Benoit Ok Sandi... Well, I have to assume you're referring in part to the infanticide hoax video I commented on. I guess you took it down? Facebook gives me an error message when I try to get to it. Ok. Here goes. I was not trying to be "argumentative" in anything I said. I understand the confusion because it IS hard to convey inflection via text. I don't really understand how it's offensive when I bring to your attention that something is untrue. I would hate to go on believing something that has already been debunked, and if I found out my friends knew and didn't tell me I'd be a little miffed. Lol. Again; we have not been trying to argue with anyone or "convert" anyone to our side. I don't think asking for people to be honest and source their material so that we can get to the crux of the matter, is offensive or "argumentative." Out of respect for you, we have taken care to source all our material before we post it. But it's offensive and argumentative for us to ask you to do the same, to be sure you're posting things that are real, instead of slander, rumor and untruth? I just do not understand. I'm sorry you took it that way. I would never have thought to classify critical thinking as "drama." I also thought that if someone posted something to Facebook, it was an invitation to talk about it. I didn't realize that sometimes people only want to have their views validated and are not looking for conversation. Anyway. Be assured that we weren't trying to fight or "argue." We were just trying to ask people to fact check what they were posting, and to post things that build up rather than tear down. Now that I see that is not welcome, I won't bother anymore. But if you come to my Facebook page, which all are welcome to do, be prepared to think critically and present a defense for what you say.
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    • Sandra Robitaille No Leila it had nothing to do with the ifantacide video. It was because of your source that I took it down. Thank You. As for the rest of your post here, you are assuming I feel that way, which I don't. My post was in regard to things that people were saying to hurt others intentionally. I don't honestly know how something so trivial has blown so out of proportion. You are welcome to post comments on my stuff anytime you want, I never said that it wasn't welcomed. Isn't that what social media is all about anyways. I just am not going to air the family laundry here on Facebook for all of the world to see. It is embarrassing and unnecessary. That is what private messaging is for. Love You Both
    • Leila Benoit Oh, ok. I am not aware of anyone saying things to hurt others on purpose. I'm sorry if that has been happening. I also don't know what you mean by laundry. If I was a part of that you can let me know via private message, or whatever.
    • Dorothy Phillips jeremy,I can see now why some folks call facebook a gossip column and this is the reason I am not often on it.
    • Jeremy R. Cort i have been asked that i respond to you via private message about the anna comments. i will do that.
    • Dorothy Phillips I guess I am not the Christian your Mom is because when I hurt I tend to let that person know I'm hurt. When someone I love going to hell I'll let them know that too... Will I get into a debate that turns ugly ? Not for long because I refuse to keep things going..
    • Dorothy Phillips Yes, I blocked you not because I don't love you, you reposted items that Anna had written and that was wrong and immature of you.To keep things stired up
    • Dorothy Phillips I am not going to watch someone I care about tell me over and over they are an atheist. As far as being a fundamentalist liar I resent that.I am not a liar at all and that is why I find myself in so much trouble
    • Dorothy Phillips Are you going straight to hell? YES, unless you change your mind and I hope you do.Are you going to tell your children there is no God???
    • Dorothy Phillips Yoy are still quite young and hopefully have a few more years but there will come a time you will be on your death bed like everyone else...Who will you turn to then??? My guess is that you will turn to the teachings of your Mom and Dad and Pastor....( WHOEVER DENIES ME BEFORE MEN, HIM WILL I DENY BEFORE MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN )
    • Jeremy R. Cort gram, how about i take you to dinner tonight and answer any questions you have? ill bring my tablet so we will have access to all the posts. i love you tons grandma, i truly do, however my rules of engagement are the same for everyone. kids, adults, elders, pastors, atheists and savages alike.
    • Jeremy R. Cort as for the last comment, i will meet my end with my mind open.
    • Dorothy Phillips HOPEFULLY YOUR HEART WILL BE TO
    • Jeremy R. Cort hearts open now.
    • Dorothy Phillips LOVE YOU TO MUCH
    • Donna Grenier Look, God loves everyone. Even if you are an atheist, God understands. I do alot of work in the paranormal. It doesn't matter how you live your life. God is all forgiving. Someday you may need to turn to God. By the way, I'm a Catholic. Sandy, sorry for getting into family matters. I know there is God! Almost died a few years ago. That's all I'm going to say on that.
    • Sandra Robitaille @Donna, That's ok Donna. That is what social media is for. Jeremy is my son, and Dorothy is my mother in law, Leila is my Son's fiance' Just so you know who everyone is. Everyone : this is Donna, a school mate of mine from Brockton, Mass. and a lifelong friend.
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    • Leila Benoit Hi Donna! Nice to "meet" you. grin
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    • Dorothy Phillips Hi Donna, you are absolutley right. God does love everyone even an atheist or an unbeliever ,as his love is eternal and he is married to the backslider BUT do you really think that God is going to allow this into the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN????I understand that you are Catholic and may not believe the exact same way I do BUT if you are a practicing Christen you do love God and believe in him. I know this as I once was a catholic myself.......
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    • Sandra Robitaille Hi Amber, welcome smile
    • Amber Sellers I really have been avoiding putting my two cents into this conversation but here we go folks: No one is going to change another person's beliefs by telling them, OH NO YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE OF THIS or BECAUSE OF THAT. The beauty of persuasion is an art, coming on all strong won't make another individual see another view. OH and if they don't want to change their view there are different ways to go about it rather than hounding and hounding. Isn't that why some people state they steer clear of learning about God because Christians "force" their beliefs down other peoples throats?(not my opinion) Well don't force whatever you believe down someone else's throat, let us all be individuals and think what we want. Just because you can prove there wasn't an ARK doesn't mean I can't prove there was one. There's three sides to every story, what I believe, what you believe, and then the factual truth. Just because you say it's your way doesn't mean my theory doesn't have any part in it. I think once everyone starts to see these situations in different lights maybe you'll understand that. It's so ridiculous and actually even saddening to see everyone go back and fourth like this, we are family. Express your views, but do not hound and FORCE your beliefs on someone else. We all march to the beat of a different drum, please stay in line with your own band. When you go on and on sheer ignorance follows you, you look like a fool. I am not pointing fingers to people individually, I am speaking to everyone as a group. I'm not taking sides, I am just sick of the drama. And YES it IS drama and Mom worded that perfectly.
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    • Dorothy Phillips Also Donna, I need to add something else to your message. It most certainly does matter to God how you live your life......\
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    • Leila Benoit I'm not looking to force my beliefs on anyone, of course not. This has turned into a thing about God when that is not something Jeremy and I ever intended. The only point I wanted to make was that it's responsible to source your material so you don't end up posting things that are hoaxes, etc. .... I am not about to have an argument over whether or not God exists or how we should all live. I agree that we should live and let live and love each other regardless of what our individual beliefs are.
    • Dorothy Phillips And Amber if by any chance these statements you made are directed toward me I welcome them. At lest I am getting through to someone and I really don't care how I sound if I can help.
    • Leila Benoit In addition, I was not trying to cause drama - however you define drama. I hate drama. I did not foresee that asking people to do research (not asking them to change their minds) would be this dramatic or I would have kept my big mouth shut, lol!
    • Sandra Robitaille LOL open mouth insert foot LOL
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    • Leila Benoit I know right
    • Sandra Robitaille Hey, that is what freedom of speech is all about folks!
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    • Dorothy Phillips PRAY FOR OBAMA.....PSALM 109-8
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    • Amber Sellers I define it as drama because of the endless of no it's this way no it's THIS WAY. If people want to post something and they don't look up a source that's their right! Just like it's your right to look up the source! If you feel people are being blinded by whatever, then allow them to go on with their bad blind self. It's their facebook which=their own hoaxes which also =THEIR OWN BELIEFS. @ Grandma I wasn't referencing anything you wrote in particular. I honestly grazed through the comments picking out those instances that stood out to me. I don't care what everyone believes in, I know what I believe in and at the end of the day that is what matters. I just hope that I can silently persuade people or have people question my beliefs because of my actions. That's what this all comes down to is actions. Monkey see...monkey do.
    • Jeremy R. Cort hi donna, nice to meet you so to speak smile

      @ grandma, this whole thing started when i asked you, and everyone else to defend specious statements. there is a ton of misinformation out there and it is my aim to promote critical thinking.

      @donna: hello a      gain donna! i am not arguing the existence of god with anybody. im asking people, all of us, to source our political content before we post. statements on my page have all received the same request. please dont post lies. not a big thing to ask.

      @amber: im not looking to force my beliefs on anyone. and i dont think it is too much to ask for them not to force their beliefs on me.
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    • Leila Benoit Yep, they have the right to post things that are hoaxes if they want to. For future reference, if any of you see me post something that you know has been debunked, please, I'd like to know that I'm putting stock in something that is false so that I don't mislead other people. If anyone would like me to stop commenting on their posts that are not sourced or have been debunked, I think I already said that I'm cool with that. People just need to let me know lol.
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    • Dorothy Phillips jEREMY ALL I CAN SAY IS YOU KNOW THE TRUTH, LIKE IT OR NOT, YOU KNOW THE TRUTH.... NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS OR WHAT MEANS THEY HAVE TO PERSUADE YOU, YOU KNOW THE TRUTH....
    • Amber Sellers jeremy no offense but their is misinformation getting out every 5 seconds. ( that was probably wrong too, it could be 4 seconds, could be 4194323) you're only one person, you can't control the world and rid it of misinformation. i haven't bothered to look at a majority of the links you've posted but how do YOU know that EVERY SINGLE WORD of EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE doesn't have the most minute detail of misinformation? We are all only human, legit. Just let us be so.
    • Sandra Robitaille You guys keep it up and I'm gonna be too scared to post anything smile LOL
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    • Amber Sellers thats the issue at hand mom, you shouldnt be afraid to post something because of someone elses opinion that is clearly bias to their own beliefs.
    • Amber Sellers and that wasnt directed towards anyone in particular. general statement.
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    • Dorothy Phillips WELL SANDY, AS YOU KNOW, I NEVER HARDLY POST ANYTHING AND I AM WAY OVERDUE. SORRY ABOUT THAT.... ACTUALLY I AM NOT SORRY WHEN IT COMES TO FIGHTING FOR MY LOVED ONES.......
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    • Sandra Robitaille That's ok at least the day wasn't boring. LOL
    • Dorothy Phillips HOPE YOUR FEELING BETTER
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    • Sandra Robitaille Thanks! What time will the chop suey be ready?
    • Dorothy Phillips I HAVEN'T EVEN GONE TO THE STORE YET.....
    • Dorothy Phillips PROBABLY ANOTHER HR AND HALF
    • Sandra Robitaille Well, don't bother with it then, it is getting too late, and I don't want you to have to do all that work.
    • Dorothy Phillips TO BUSY FIGHTING FOR MY FAMILY TO BE HUNGRY
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    • Dorothy Phillips I'm leaving right now and you don't usually eat before 6
    • Sandra Robitaille ok, if you're sure you still want to. I don't want you to feel like you have to.
    • Jeremy R. Cort @amber: when we go to school we learn stuff and get tested over it. if we get a question wrong the teacher marks it wrong and some times we get to try again. the teacher does not pat us on the head and placate us while we continue believing fallacies like the earth being flat. and our loved ones do not stand by and nod senselessly while we spread that the world is flat to all who will listen. constructive criticism is exactly that. it builds up, its adds to our collective worth. it makes us better. 

      as to the links i provide. linking, sourcing, doing research. it all works. this morning mom pulled a horrific infanticide hoax video she posted by accident. there are groups and organizations that are as non- partisan as can be. ill re-post something i wrote about link sourcing on the internet.
    • Jeremy R. Cort The internet is such a wonderful place... It allows all of us all over the world to be amateur film makers, photographers and journalists. That being said, repeating rumors without having exercised due diligence is just plain irresponsible.

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    • Leila Benoit Look... saying that we disagree shouldn't feel like "persecution." You guys all disagree with everything I believe, and you don't edit yourselves in front of me.. You don't cater to my beliefs for fear of hurting my feelings, at least I don't think you do, it doesn't seem like it. And that's okay! I don't mind that. I don't feel persecuted or anything due to that. And if you guys said hey, Leila... what you just said is based on something that has been debunked, I wouldn't feel attacked. I would just look into it and see if you were right or if I still stood by it. I feel kind of crazy right now, lol, because that's all I was ever trying to say. OF COURSE they still have the right to post stuff whether its true or not. I just thought they would be like, Oh, that's not true? That's taken out of context? Well, crap, I don't want to post something like that.... I totally misjudged the situation, except in one case: The infanticide hoax video. Sandi took it down after I posted my sources, presumably because she didn't want to be associated with the "fringe" who resort to many bad, bad things to win. Lol. People can post whatever they want to...... I am just trying to be the change I want to see in the world, guys. Would anyone disagree, that everywhere we look, people are lying and twisting the truth to win? If I want the world to be different, then I HAVE TO BE different. That's all I was trying to do, and something I thought everyone would understand. Certainly not something I thought people would get upset about! I AM NOT SAYING THEIR OPINIONS ARE NOT VALID. I said time and again "You lose credibility when you post things that have been disproved." If anything I was trying to help people to develop the ability to defend their positions honestly and with effect. And I would like to say; we never, not once, resorted to defamatory language or name calling or other general hatefulness. I feel a little crazy, as I said before, that I'm kind of being told I was bad for letting people know something they trusted and thought was real, was based on a lie. If anyone would like me to stay off their pages from now on, I will be happy to abide by that. You have to tell me so, though, I can't read your minds. Especially via text. lol
    • Amber Sellers actually leila i do watch what i say in front of you because i know you believe a different way and i dont want to hurt your feelings. i hold back my tongue a lot more around you probably more than anyone else in my life. why? because i dont want to hurt your feelings, because i care.
    • Sandra Robitaille My page is open to everyone.
    • Leila Benoit Thanks... yes, I do know that you refrain from saying certain words in front of me, and I do appreciate that. I guess I failed to make my point, which was the rest of the paragraph that I wrote. I'm hungry.
    • Amber Sellers nah i get your point but the first part is what stood out to me so i addressed that. i ate so much food from the korner store i think i just became a corner.
    • Dorothy Phillips told you i would have supper ready by 6 .......close, I'm on my way
    • Donna Grenier It was nice to meet everyone!
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    • Leila Benoit Thanks for participating. grin
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    • Jeremy R. Cort have a nice night donna!
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